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		<title>Comment on Not My Airport by The Unknown Studio &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A shifting discourse</title>
		<link>http://betteredmonton.wordpress.com/2009/07/01/not-my-airport/#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator>The Unknown Studio &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A shifting discourse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] emailed your councillors would have done so on other issues?). Organically because the two (and a group of other concerned individuals) came forward and joined forces — if only loosely — to champion [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on (Part 1) A few thoughts on parking in Edmonton&#8230; by Josh</title>
		<link>http://betteredmonton.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/part-1-a-few-thoughts-on-parking-in-edmonton/#comment-53</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curtis:

Studies done on the subject show that parking availability and transit usage are in fact highly interrelated. If you think about it, this is intuitively obvious -- as an example, why is it that so many people take the LRT to Oiler or Eskimo games? Because parking is ridiculous. Availability and price of parking is one of several factors that enter people&#039;s calculations when they decide whether or not they&#039;re going to take transit.

This isn&#039;t to say that parking is the only (or even most important) factor affecting transit usage, but it certainly is an important one. As I mention in the post, it also has important land-use and economic implications, which, to me, makes it an issue worth considering -- especially when you consider the fact that making changes in this area basically free, unlike building LRT lines, buying buses, etc.

Finally, you use as an example downtown surface parking lots, which are operated by parking companies on a for-profit basis. Although I can&#039;t say I&#039;m a huge fan of these lots, the policy I&#039;m referring to would not directly affect them. The parking regulations I mention specify the amount of parking that must accompany any new development as part of that development (eg the number of stalls that have to be stuck underneath or adjacent to a new condo building). These regulations force landowners to provide parking that may or may not be needed, which is economically inefficient (in addition to frustrating transit and land use issues, as I mention above). The parking lots downtown are different, because they only exist insofar as the demand for them exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curtis:</p>
<p>Studies done on the subject show that parking availability and transit usage are in fact highly interrelated. If you think about it, this is intuitively obvious &#8212; as an example, why is it that so many people take the LRT to Oiler or Eskimo games? Because parking is ridiculous. Availability and price of parking is one of several factors that enter people&#8217;s calculations when they decide whether or not they&#8217;re going to take transit.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t to say that parking is the only (or even most important) factor affecting transit usage, but it certainly is an important one. As I mention in the post, it also has important land-use and economic implications, which, to me, makes it an issue worth considering &#8212; especially when you consider the fact that making changes in this area basically free, unlike building LRT lines, buying buses, etc.</p>
<p>Finally, you use as an example downtown surface parking lots, which are operated by parking companies on a for-profit basis. Although I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;m a huge fan of these lots, the policy I&#8217;m referring to would not directly affect them. The parking regulations I mention specify the amount of parking that must accompany any new development as part of that development (eg the number of stalls that have to be stuck underneath or adjacent to a new condo building). These regulations force landowners to provide parking that may or may not be needed, which is economically inefficient (in addition to frustrating transit and land use issues, as I mention above). The parking lots downtown are different, because they only exist insofar as the demand for them exists.</p>
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		<title>Comment on (Part 1) A few thoughts on parking in Edmonton&#8230; by tricotmiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>tricotmiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 16:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great post. Thank you.</description>
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		<title>Comment on (Part 1) A few thoughts on parking in Edmonton&#8230; by Curtis</title>
		<link>http://betteredmonton.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/part-1-a-few-thoughts-on-parking-in-edmonton/#comment-51</link>
		<dc:creator>Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 06:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hardly think outdated parking problems is the real grind Edmonton has with transportation.  

Looking from the 21st floor of the ING buiding downtown, I was horrified with the amount of single level gravel parking lots filled to maximum occupancy.  At nearly $20 a day, these stalls nearly cost as much as my rent - and people are willing and able to pay.

Although I agree that outdated policies are counterproductive to municipality operations,  I think our resources can be better used.  People WANT these stalls.

Why not focus on giving them more effective transit?  The money that you spent on lawyers, municipal committees and councilors time updating irrelevant policies could be better spent on adding another stop to the proposed west end LRT route.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hardly think outdated parking problems is the real grind Edmonton has with transportation.  </p>
<p>Looking from the 21st floor of the ING buiding downtown, I was horrified with the amount of single level gravel parking lots filled to maximum occupancy.  At nearly $20 a day, these stalls nearly cost as much as my rent &#8211; and people are willing and able to pay.</p>
<p>Although I agree that outdated policies are counterproductive to municipality operations,  I think our resources can be better used.  People WANT these stalls.</p>
<p>Why not focus on giving them more effective transit?  The money that you spent on lawyers, municipal committees and councilors time updating irrelevant policies could be better spent on adding another stop to the proposed west end LRT route.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 12 Councillors, 12 Wards: More Than A Dozen Reasons Why&#8230; by Joan</title>
		<link>http://betteredmonton.wordpress.com/2009/07/16/12-councillors-12-wards-more-than-a-dozen-reasons-why/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>Joan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A 12 ward system is not good.  If a person is     elected in and does not represent the people, some residence will just say &quot; You can&#039;t fight City Hall&quot;.  Other people will go to other councillors outside their ward.  For people going outside their ward, they could be told they have to deal with their councillor.  

What if the Community or residence do not see eye to eye with the one councillor.  

What checks and balances will be put in place?

Every ward is going to be fighting for money. 12 instead of 6.  This may create a lot of infighting.

It is very interesting because 400 people were polled to find out what they thought of the ward systems.  Problem is :  what political dealings have they had with different levels of government.  It would have been much better for community advocates to be polled and citizens that deal with issues all the time.  They have an understanding of how City Hall works.  I would bet that maybe 2 percent of the people polled know anything about politics.  

Why was the vote taken in the summer when citizens are on holidays?

A better solution to this ward system would have been to deligate certain issues to a ward councillor and keep the 6 ward system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A 12 ward system is not good.  If a person is     elected in and does not represent the people, some residence will just say &#8221; You can&#8217;t fight City Hall&#8221;.  Other people will go to other councillors outside their ward.  For people going outside their ward, they could be told they have to deal with their councillor.  </p>
<p>What if the Community or residence do not see eye to eye with the one councillor.  </p>
<p>What checks and balances will be put in place?</p>
<p>Every ward is going to be fighting for money. 12 instead of 6.  This may create a lot of infighting.</p>
<p>It is very interesting because 400 people were polled to find out what they thought of the ward systems.  Problem is :  what political dealings have they had with different levels of government.  It would have been much better for community advocates to be polled and citizens that deal with issues all the time.  They have an understanding of how City Hall works.  I would bet that maybe 2 percent of the people polled know anything about politics.  </p>
<p>Why was the vote taken in the summer when citizens are on holidays?</p>
<p>A better solution to this ward system would have been to deligate certain issues to a ward councillor and keep the 6 ward system.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Paper, Plastic and Persistence by Anthony Phinditt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Phinditt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The blog is very colorful and nice to look  and the houses you have displayed are fantastic with good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The blog is very colorful and nice to look  and the houses you have displayed are fantastic with good work.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Plan It Calgary by Naheed</title>
		<link>http://betteredmonton.wordpress.com/2009/06/25/plan-it-calgary/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Naheed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 04:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your kind words and the great work you are doing in Edmonton.

Just to be clear, though, CivicCamp is not our program. It really is an independent group of citizens who amaze me with their passion and ability to mobilize.

The Better Calgary Campaign was pleased to assist Sustainable Calgary (and its inspiration, Chris Turner) in helping sponsor the first CivicCamp gathering, but that was the extent of it.  It&#039;s just grown from there (in fact, I am hoping some of the incredible CivicCamp people will also come help us grow BCC)

And I would love to help you replicate CC in Edmonton, and I know there are many CC volunteers who will help as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your kind words and the great work you are doing in Edmonton.</p>
<p>Just to be clear, though, CivicCamp is not our program. It really is an independent group of citizens who amaze me with their passion and ability to mobilize.</p>
<p>The Better Calgary Campaign was pleased to assist Sustainable Calgary (and its inspiration, Chris Turner) in helping sponsor the first CivicCamp gathering, but that was the extent of it.  It&#8217;s just grown from there (in fact, I am hoping some of the incredible CivicCamp people will also come help us grow BCC)</p>
<p>And I would love to help you replicate CC in Edmonton, and I know there are many CC volunteers who will help as well.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 12 Councillors, 12 Wards: More Than A Dozen Reasons Why&#8230; by John Deverell</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Deverell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Single-member wards invite the usual objection -- they guaranteed a lack of effective democratic choice of representation.

How can one politician pretend to represent everyone and every interest  ( answer :not honestly)?  
Who represents all the folk, often
 a majority, who do not vote for the winner -- or who would vote if the incumbent were not a shoo-in?
A council that represents all voters and all interests fairly cannot be based on single-member districts.

Multi-member districts -- the STV concept -- allow for suitably diverse  representation.

As for campaigning difficulties related to district size,  the single transferable ballot mitigates the problem and so would some rational adaptation by politicians.  Why, for example,  wouldn&#039;t councillors of similar outlook  band together to help each other and paint voters a picture of their intentions, i.e. advertise, i.e. behave like  a party. That would make them jointly accountable -- as compared with a ward system in which noindividual  councillor is responsible for anything beyond pretending to get potholes fixed and speed bumps installed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Single-member wards invite the usual objection &#8212; they guaranteed a lack of effective democratic choice of representation.</p>
<p>How can one politician pretend to represent everyone and every interest  ( answer :not honestly)?<br />
Who represents all the folk, often<br />
 a majority, who do not vote for the winner &#8212; or who would vote if the incumbent were not a shoo-in?<br />
A council that represents all voters and all interests fairly cannot be based on single-member districts.</p>
<p>Multi-member districts &#8212; the STV concept &#8212; allow for suitably diverse  representation.</p>
<p>As for campaigning difficulties related to district size,  the single transferable ballot mitigates the problem and so would some rational adaptation by politicians.  Why, for example,  wouldn&#8217;t councillors of similar outlook  band together to help each other and paint voters a picture of their intentions, i.e. advertise, i.e. behave like  a party. That would make them jointly accountable &#8212; as compared with a ward system in which noindividual  councillor is responsible for anything beyond pretending to get potholes fixed and speed bumps installed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 12 Councillors, 12 Wards: More Than A Dozen Reasons Why&#8230; by Think City</title>
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		<dc:creator>Think City</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations!

This is something citizens have been trying to get back in our city for over 70 years.

Read http://www.thinkcity.ca/node/161 to get an update on how our new mayor is moving Vancouver up the democratic ladder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations!</p>
<p>This is something citizens have been trying to get back in our city for over 70 years.</p>
<p>Read <a href="http://www.thinkcity.ca/node/161" rel="nofollow">http://www.thinkcity.ca/node/161</a> to get an update on how our new mayor is moving Vancouver up the democratic ladder.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 12 Councillors, 12 Wards: More Than A Dozen Reasons Why&#8230; by Brock Richardson</title>
		<link>http://betteredmonton.wordpress.com/2009/07/16/12-councillors-12-wards-more-than-a-dozen-reasons-why/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>Brock Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, 
but i&#039;m curious of what similarities you see between the current system in Edmonton and the failed STV system in B.C.  
I took STV to be more unfair in rural areas, where a grossly increased riding size would present a genuine barrier to representation. In urban centres, however, i felt the STV would make more sense as the geographic region would not balloon unreasonably with the necessary increase in population.
My main focus was obviously geographic size and the ability of a representative from one area to speak for the people of a small town a few hundred kilometers away.
The Edmonton debate is different.  It is focussed on the number of people in the ward. In principle though, STV, proportional rep, or some form of mixed member representation are often looked upon as more democratic because they are more inclusive, especially of minority constituent groups. An obvious difference is that the party system is not in play, but the issue of minority representation is not exclusive to party systems.
I do not disagree with your points, they are valid and speak to some of the problems with the current system, and some possible benefits of a change.
I guess we&#039;ll just have to wait, examine, and come up with our own guesses as to whether or not the coming change improves the democratic representation of Edmontonians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay,<br />
but i&#8217;m curious of what similarities you see between the current system in Edmonton and the failed STV system in B.C.<br />
I took STV to be more unfair in rural areas, where a grossly increased riding size would present a genuine barrier to representation. In urban centres, however, i felt the STV would make more sense as the geographic region would not balloon unreasonably with the necessary increase in population.<br />
My main focus was obviously geographic size and the ability of a representative from one area to speak for the people of a small town a few hundred kilometers away.<br />
The Edmonton debate is different.  It is focussed on the number of people in the ward. In principle though, STV, proportional rep, or some form of mixed member representation are often looked upon as more democratic because they are more inclusive, especially of minority constituent groups. An obvious difference is that the party system is not in play, but the issue of minority representation is not exclusive to party systems.<br />
I do not disagree with your points, they are valid and speak to some of the problems with the current system, and some possible benefits of a change.<br />
I guess we&#8217;ll just have to wait, examine, and come up with our own guesses as to whether or not the coming change improves the democratic representation of Edmontonians.</p>
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